| fiveptohh |
Allright I purchased a Venture aluminum trailer for my 1991 27' Fountain Fever. The trailer is built really well and all but I do have a question. The trailer only measures about 24' long. Will my boat fit on it.? The guy at the trailer place said that it should work no problem and that it might hang off the back a little bit but not a lot at all. I guess I need to know if anyone knows the measurement from bow eye to stern..? That way I can check the the measurement on the trailer..any info would be greatly appreciated before I drive 7 hours to find out that my boat wont fit. The trailer model is VABT7000. www.venturetrailers.com
thanks for the help.... |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
| I can not see how it will work.. You will have way too much boat hanging off the back.. Go to dealers and look at boats sitting on trailers. That should answer your question.. |
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| orthos1 |
Sounds like trouble to me. I am NOT a trailer authority though.
It looks like this would be the one?
VATB-8600 ST205/75D14LRC 8600 27’-29’ 2 5/16” Standard-2 3 |
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| fiveptohh |
| I even called the factory and they told me to get the one that I did....? I know that the boat should hang over the front a little bit. But this trailer better fit.... |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
What model # did you get???
Sorry, shoulda went back an reread.. :rolleyes: |
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| Shameless |
| a 7000 lb trailer is TOO light for that boat!!! I went through this this summer with mine!!! I can't emphisize this enought, 7000 lbs is too light!!!! And NO, the boat should not hang off the back of the trailer at all!!! Let me see if I can find a pic of how my boat sits on the trailer... |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
| Listen to Shameless. He had a real bad experience with his. Went thru a lot of BS before they fixed it. |
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| Shameless |
When I first got my boat, the trailer was rated for 7000 lbs. The axles bottomed out on the frame and the tires bottomed out in the fenders. I went with over kill, but I had the manufactureer re-do the trailer and made it a 12000 lb trailer, although 10000 would have been sufficient.
Here is a front view |
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| Shameless |
| A view from tha back |
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| Shameless |
| Here is a close up of the transom. The boat needs to come forward about an inch. I tokk this when I set the boat back on the trailer after getting re-built and was adjusting. |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
Good pics Bill.
Here`s one of the Formula.. |
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| birdog |
ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!!......It should NEVER hang of the rear of the trailer !!!....Your boat will develop a "Hook"
over time sitting like that |
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| Shameless |
14 inches tires are TOO Small!! You need a minimum of 15" tires that are at least D rated. I had put on new axles, brakes, wheels and tires and move the axle hanger to make room for the new wheels and tires.
Here is how you come up with the weight. Boat claimed DRY weight...5150 lbs. That is dry, no water, no fuel, no gear, NOTHING. add 450 lbs for fuel, add 500 lbs for gear, that can be light for some and do not forget to add the weight of the trailer!!!!! For me, I scaled the boat with very light fuel and NO gear on board at 6900 lbs. So fill the tank and throw my chit on board, and I was WAY over. It only cost a couple hundred bucks to go with bigger alxles, brakes, tires, ect...over the 7000 lb trailer. As RJ said, I went through chit to get this fixed right!!! But, now I am safe and LEGAL!!!! |
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| Tinkerer |
| The transom must sit on the bunks. The bunks should extend beyond the transom about 1 inch. |
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| simulatedjim |
They figured it was a Fountain and they subtracted the beak and the platform and said "its long enough" :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
Just kidding but even the website says the 7000 lb model is for 25-26 ft boat. I would listen to Shameless and get the bigger trailer. |
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| gilla |
| Shameless-Need to move that boat up a little-got some hanging over the back bunk. ?? |
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| Shameless |
| maybe kind of hard to see, but look at the tire clearence on the trailer shot in front of the house. Then look at this pic. In the first pic was the over loaded trailer on 14 inch tires. In this pic, I have the room I need and the 15 inch tires. PLUS, you should have seen the tire sidewalls bounce when I hit bumps!! How I never blew out a tire is byeond me!!!! |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by gilla
Shameless-Need to move that boat up a little-got some hanging over the back bunk. ??
Put your reading glasses on there old man!!! :laugher: :laugher: As I stated above, I had just set the boat on the trailer after getting the trailer back and had to adjust it!!! :winker: :winker: :winker:
Sorry Gilla, I forgot, your a picture kind of guy... :laugher: :laugher: :laugher: |
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| fiveptohh |
| well I thought that you had to measure from bow eye to transom. and that is what the trailer manufacurer said they use as the listing on the lengths....? The trailer I got does have 15" tires. Ill try to post a pic. Also my performance sheet from Fountain says that the boat weighs under 5000lbs so if i add fuel and oil and cargo and batteries at the most that should add another 1000lbs maybe....? so that is why I went with the 7000lb trailer instead of the 6000lb. |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by fiveptohh
well I thought that you had to measure from bow eye to transom. and that is what the trailer manufacurer said they use as the listing on the lengths....? The trailer I got does have 15" tires. Ill try to post a pic. Also my performance sheet from Fountain says that the boat weighs under 5000lbs so if i add fuel and oil and cargo and batteries at the most that should add another 1000lbs maybe....? so that is why I went with the 7000lb trailer instead of the 6000lb.
My 27 is listed at 5150 dry... BUT, you are forgetting to add the weight of the trailer!!!! That MUST be added to the equation. 15 inch tire are only good if they are rated at least a "D" rating. |
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| Shameless |
Not too preach, but I'll say it again, we have the same boat, and a 7000 lb trailer is too small...
Also, your boat is 14 years older then mine...considering that boats gain weight over the course of years, you will more then likely weigh more then mine... |
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| tcob |
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Originally posted by Shameless
A view from tha back
2 thangs ...... what are you doing to momma ????????? :D i wonder if the trailer was originally set up with the 14's because the owner was vertically challanged . i'm sure at times being shy a "couple inches" can be a real handicap. :laugher: :laugher: |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by tcob
2 thangs ...... what are you doing to momma ????????? :D i wonder if the trailer was originally set up with the 14's because the owner was vertically challanged . i'm sure at times being shy a "couple inches" can be a real handicap. :laugher: :laugher:
Notice in both the view from the front and back I have her working... SHe has to earn her keep somehow!!!! I do not pay the bills to have her sit on her azz and look pretty!!!! :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
Vertically challenged, yup... :D and on that note Mr. Fountain, what the hell is the boarding ladder doing int he middle of the swimplatform over the drive?!?!?! :angry1: :angry1: :angry1:
O.K., I feel better now.... :D |
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| sunsation98 |
quote:
Originally posted by Shameless
When I first got my boat, the trailer was rated for 7000 lbs. The axles bottomed out on the frame and the tires bottomed out in the fenders. I went with over kill, but I had the manufactureer re-do the trailer and made it a 12000 lb trailer, although 10000 would have been sufficient.
Here is a front view
two things here.
how do I get Nicole to button up the boat for me
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man that is just a sweet boat! |
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| tcob |
quote:
Originally posted by Shameless
Notice in both the view from the front and back I have her working... SHe has to earn her keep somehow!!!! I do not pay the bills to have her sit on her azz and look pretty!!!! :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
Vertically challenged, yup... :D and on that note Mr. Fountain, what the hell is the boarding ladder doing int he middle of the swimplatform over the drive?!?!?! :angry1: :angry1: :angry1:
O.K., I feel better now.... :D
i see that she's working ............ i also see that look like you're working at molesting her :D |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by tcob
i see that she's working ............ i also see that look like you're working at molesting her :D
And that would be wrong???? :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
Thanks Ken, I appreciate it!!! :D As far as Nicole, just smack her around a bit!!! :laugher: :laugher: J/K!!!
Also, not my house in the pic, it is my parents, I am not that "priviledged"... |
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| fiveptohh |
MODEL TIRE SIZE LOAD CAP. BOAT LENGTH COUPLER SIZE BRAKES & TONGUE JACK # OF AXLES
Bunk Trailers
VATB-7000 ST225/75D15LRC 7000 25’-26’ 2 5/16”
Well I kept on reading and it says that the rating is the Load Capacity....so they must take into consideration how much the trailer weighs...? I am all screwed up I am gonna call the manufacturer Monday.ughhhh this sucks |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by fiveptohh
MODEL TIRE SIZE LOAD CAP. BOAT LENGTH COUPLER SIZE BRAKES & TONGUE JACK # OF AXLES
Bunk Trailers
VATB-7000 ST225/75D15LRC 7000 25’-26’ 2 5/16”
Well I kept on reading and it says that the rating is the Load Capacity....so they must take into consideration how much the trailer weighs...? I am all screwed up I am gonna call the manufacturer Monday.ughhhh this sucks
Your load is what is sitting on the tires...Considering that, you will be right and above 7000 lbs. Find out what lb axles are on it and what the weight capacity is on the tires. Find out what size brakes are on it and I saw that brakes are standad on one axle, which is NOT sufficient for this load.
So, please tell me you are not going to trust what the manufacturer sais?? They already gave you a line of chit when they said you boat will fit and it is o.k. that it hangs off some. To me, it sounds like a trailer they had sitting around and they want to get rid of it... |
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| Shameless |
| Also, if the trailer serial plate says the trailer is built for a 25-26 foot boat, get in an accident and see what happens when the investigators see that you have a 27 foot boat on a trailer built for up to a boat that is 26 feet... Can you say NO INSURACE!!! |
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| gilla |
| Just checking. :bigsmile: |
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| tcob |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shameless
[B]And that would be wrong???? :laugher: :laugher: :laugher://///////// not at all . just wanted to remind you , i pick up on the little things (TOO) :D |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by gilla
Just checking. :bigsmile:
I know, your mission is to keep me on the good side!!! :D :D :D |
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| US1Fountain |
| But gotta remember the 2' for the swim platform does not account for the boat lenght. Probably why the shorter trailer was recommended. |
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| US1Fountain |
quote:
Originally posted by fiveptohh
MODEL TIRE SIZE LOAD CAP. BOAT LENGTH COUPLER SIZE BRAKES & TONGUE JACK # OF AXLES
Bunk Trailers
VATB-7000 ST225/75D15LRC 7000 25’-26’ 2 5/16”
Well I kept on reading and it says that the rating is the Load Capacity....so they must take into consideration how much the trailer weighs...? I am all screwed up I am gonna call the manufacturer Monday.ughhhh this sucks
I see this as load capacity is the load it will carry, boat and gear. Should be another rating stating total rating. That will accoun't for the trailer. Be best to call the manufacture to double check those rating. |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by US1Fountain
I see this as load capacity is the load it will carry, boat and gear. Should be another rating stating total rating. That will accoun't for the trailer. Be best to call the manufacture to double check those rating.
load carrying includes the weight on the tires, that includes the weight of the trailer. That is why you weigh the boat/trailer while attached to the truck, because it puts the weight on the trailer wheels. So, trailer capacity says 7000 lbs, it better not weigh more then 7000 lbs on the ires hooked up to a truck on the wheels. As I said, I have been through this before... For a couple of hundred bucks do not skimp. Also, the dmv will not subtract your platform for over all lenght incase of an accident!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| US1Fountain |
| I'm just going from the sticker on my trailer. Has 2 different rating numbers, Load carrying and gross. There is approx 2000# difference between those 2 numbers, with the load being the lesser, which I figured to be the weight of the trailer. |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by US1Fountain
I'm just going from the sticker on my trailer. Has 2 different rating numbers, Load carrying and gross. There is approx 2000# difference between those 2 numbers, with the load being the lesser, which I figured to be the weight of the trailer.
I got it, we are not talking about the same numbers then and we just need to be clear here when five gets his trailer. I am have been discussing gross, which what is listed with the trailers I have worked with.
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| fiveptohh |
Allright well I did some more investigative work. On the axles there are metal tags that say 4200 lbs max on them. I am assuming that with 2 axles that means that the trailer is rated at 8400 lbs minus the weight of the trailer itself which should be around 1100 lbs so that would leave me with the advertised carrying capacity of a little more than 7000 lbs...? am I right...?
Also I have attached a ton of pics LET ME KNOW if its gonna hold it.......
Trailers suck. |
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| fiveptohh |
| This is the one that shows the rating on the axle... |
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| fiveptohh |
| this is where I measured from... |
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| fiveptohh |
| This is at the end of the bunk... is it gonna fit....? |
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| Shameless |
| 8400 lbs for axles and D tires, I would say good to go. I will measure mine tomoroow when I go to work for you. My onlyu concern is brakes on one axle. What ype of brakes, disc or drum, does not look electric, so I would guess surge??? If not towing far, I would say it should be O.K., but if any distance, i would upgrade the brakes. Nice looking trailer!!!! :D |
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| US1Fountain |
Pic 41 shows surge controller.
I just measure my 32's bow hook to nose tip, 2 1/2'. Im guessing it will be somewhat close to your 27, if not the same.
SO I'm thinking
27' minus 1-1/2-2 ' for swim platform, minus another 2 1/2' for the nose puts it right on your 23'9" trailer no problem.
'Course you could always set the boat on the trailer and looky. ;) |
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| gilla |
| No, I am afraid it won't work. If you do manage to get in on there it wil be a bitch to tow and the trailer won't last. Plus, it doesn't look like the boat will be supported very well. Sorry, but my opinion. |
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| fiveptohh |
quote:
Originally posted by US1Fountain
Pic 41 shows surge controller.
I just measure my 32's bow hook to nose tip, 2 1/2'. Im guessing it will be somewhat close to your 27, if not the same.
SO I'm thinking
27' minus 1-1/2-2 ' for swim platform, minus another 2 1/2' for the nose puts it right on your 23'9" trailer no problem.
'Course you could always set the boat on the trailer and looky. ;)
Well here is the real kicker.....I am in Western NY and the boat is over 7 hours away in New Hampshire...
I am leaving on Friday to go and get the boat, so I have to make sure that it will fit before I drive all that way and have it not fit.
I have the guy at the marina that I bought it from measure from bow eye to transom and that should get me the measurement that I need to make sure it will fit.
I really appreciate all the help with this dumb trailer thing, If anything I have learned a lot from all of you and from the experience. Thanks a lot and I am sure that this wont be my last question, especially when I get this thing back here in my garage and I start getting it ready.
Thanks again.
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| fiveptohh |
quote:
Originally posted by Shameless
8400 lbs for axles and D tires, I would say good to go. I will measure mine tomoroow when I go to work for you. My onlyu concern is brakes on one axle. What ype of brakes, disc or drum, does not look electric, so I would guess surge??? If not towing far, I would say it should be O.K., but if any distance, i would upgrade the brakes. Nice looking trailer!!!! :D
I only live about 10 minutes from Lake Ontario so I wont be trailering it very far at all, but the ride home from New Hampshire will be a 7 hour ride, the good thing is that its all highway driving. It does have surge drum brakes.
All in all not a bad trailer for $3,050.00 and it cost me another $180.00 for the matching spare tire/rim and the mount.
PRAY IT WORKS
Thanks for all the HELP |
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| simulatedjim |
| Just a little advice from someone who bought a Venture trailer. Check all the brake line hose ends. The one line didn't have the ends crimped on and the hose fell apart. Lost the brake fluid. They sent a new line as warrenty. Pain in the azz to fill and bleed all the lines on a triple axle trailer with brakes on all three axles. :angry1: Also make sure brake lines are not rubbing on anything. This applies to all brands of trailers as I have encountered it on several brands. |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by gilla
No, I am afraid it won't work. If you do manage to get in on there it wil be a bitch to tow and the trailer won't last. Plus, it doesn't look like the boat will be supported very well. Sorry, but my opinion.
I have to agree with Gilla on this, where I think the weight will work, there needs to be another set of bunks. The brakes would scare me too. I hate to say it, but does not seem like a very good manufacturer, next time buy custom, will not cost much more then if this trailer was built the way it should have been. I hate to say it, but I think you were taken advantage of... |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
If you`re going to use it, ask the manufacturer for a certified statement that the trailer you purchased is well within the specs for your fountain. Still thinking way too much overhang = little tounge wieght = poor handling.
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
| Just measured my trailer for the 27 Formula. 30`9".. |
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| FTM |
| Maybe you could call Formula & see what the trailer specs. are for your boat. It' my understanding that they are pretty helpful. :) |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
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Originally posted by FTM
Maybe you could call Formula & see what the trailer specs. are for your boat. It' my understanding that they are pretty helpful. :)
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| fiveptohh |
quote:
Originally posted by Shameless
I have to agree with Gilla on this, where I think the weight will work, there needs to be another set of bunks. The brakes would scare me too. I hate to say it, but does not seem like a very good manufacturer, next time buy custom, will not cost much more then if this trailer was built the way it should have been. I hate to say it, but I think you were taken advantage of...
I have got to say that I knew going into it that it wasnt going to be as good as a Myco or Eagle, but for as much as I trailer it, I would hope that it would be sufficient. I mean what do you expect for $3050.00 |
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| FTM |
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Originally posted by Rattlesnake Jake
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OK, Now I am :confused: :confused: :confused:
OK, again, it just hit me. It's a Fountain.
How about call FOUNTAIN.
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| opie272 |
OK been reading this and looking close and I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!
The brakes are on the front axle. NOT GOOD!!!!!
The tandem axle is set up so that if the front axle hits a bump it moves up at the floating link and assists the rear axle to respond to the shock by pushing down.
Problem with this setup is
The front axle will LIFT when the brakes are applied and the rear axle will dig in causing the front axle tires to SLIDE.
What does this mean? When you really NEED your brakes the front axle is lifted and the tires slide instead of digging in and braking the rig.
This is a death trap looking for a place to happen.
The brake axle should ALWAYS be the rear. That way when the brakes are applied the back of the spring is FIXED to the trailer and the spring acts like a lever and DIGS the tire into the pavement giving better braking action.
BEEN there done that with the front axle brake only. 1 Emergency stop and all I could see behind me was blue smoke rolling out the trailer fenders.
Flat spotted both tires!!! and I got very little braking assistance from the trailer.
If it was not for the driver in the other car being able to get out of my way....I HAD him! Got stopped about where his front seat was. I was going to rear-end him, so I was 3/4 the length of his car too late!
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| opie272 |
The axles may be rated well.
The tires may be rated well.
BUT ....................
There are a few types of springs that will work for the same setup.
1750 lb and 2400 lb 4 leaf spring
or 5 leaf 2900 lb
or 6 leaf 3300 lb
The 5 and 6 are easy to see the difference but the 4 leaf light weight springs are hard to tell the difference unless they are loose and you can pick them up and "FEEL" the difference.
Don't get me wrong. The price was OK but it will probably cost$$$ you to get it up to speed with what you need.
I would not run the trailer with the front axle brake. I would move it to the back if the rear axle does not have the mount flanges for brakes.
Beef up the springs.
Length.......I like a long trailer.......but that is my preference.
Easier to back up and less sway when towing in a cross wind. But thats a personal preference. If you need to "FIT" the rig in a garage...short is nice.
Having a trailer TOO stiff for the load is also a problem, but not as bad.
TOO heavily built will cause undue stress to the load/boat.
Like having a semi-trailer hauling an aluminum john boat. The john boat does not make the springs flex so it just bounces on top of the trailer, beating the chit out of the boat and transferring the stresses of the rough road to your hull.
Either way tie the boat to the trailer so there is no movement between the boat and trailer. When you hit a bump hard enough to lift the boat up off the trailer and the boat /trailer separate now the trailer is your boats enemy. |
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| gilla |
quote:
Originally posted by fiveptohh
I have got to say that I knew going into it that it wasnt going to be as good as a Myco or Eagle, but for as much as I trailer it, I would hope that it would be sufficient. I mean what do you expect for $3050.00
You should expect a trailer that will allow you to tow with some degree of safety and a bunk system that won't damage you hull. |
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| fiveptohh |
Allright I called the Fountain Factory and they faxed me over this spec sheet that has the exact measurements of the boat that I needed to make sure that the trailer will work. And as it appears my trailer will be more than long enough to make it work.
Thanks for all the help everyone, I guess we all learned alot on how to measure for a trailer during this thread.
as you can see i only need 263" from bow eye to transom and my trailer measures much more than that, so now I can unbolt my winch stand and move it back and it will be perfect.
Thanks again for all the help
Anthony |
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| pasquesi |
| Why does Fountain call that boat a 27' footer? That boat is less than 22', then add the nose, and the overhanging transom. Still can't be 27', unless I am wrong. I would love to own one, but I always thought they were bigger. Good luck with the trailer. |
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| birdog |
| Am I reading that right ? The bow eye to transom is 26'3"....So..The platform & the nose combined are only 7" ....I dont think so |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by pasquesi
Why does Fountain call that boat a 27' footer? That boat is less than 22', then add the nose, and the overhanging transom. Still can't be 27', unless I am wrong. I would love to own one, but I always thought they were bigger. Good luck with the trailer.
I just do not understand why people do not get this, when you buy a boat, you do not buy its running surface, you buy Lenght Over All... I measured mine, and OVERALL, I am 27 feet... It is NOT a 22 foot boat... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Overhanging transom, interior wise, it is all used, my swimplatform is only about 8-10 inches long. The "beak" on the 27 adds 5-6 inches to the LOA and if the research is done as I have done, the beaks on Fountains are not for looks, they are aerodymically engineered for the boats... |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by birdog
Am I reading that right ? The bow eye to transom is 26'3"....So..The platform & the nose combined are only 7" ....I dont think so
NO, read it again!! 263 inches!!!!! |
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| Shameless |
quote:
Originally posted by US1Fountain
I see this as load capacity is the load it will carry, boat and gear. Should be another rating stating total rating. That will accoun't for the trailer. Be best to call the manufacture to double check those rating.
My trailer list axle rating and gross weight... |
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| sunsation98 |
funny thing is...........
stern to bow eye, almost all boats are the same. per size class.
its really funny hoe pwople think that boat is so much smaller because of the way the bow flares out.
Let me ask this..........formulas have a generaly more stout look in the bow.
does this mean thier 27 is really a 33! |
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| cfm |
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Originally posted by cfm
263/12 = 21.92 feet
BTW: I don't give a crap what one ( a boat, any boat) is listed at. If I like it , I like it. :eek: :D |
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| pachangalpina |
This thread has already taken a dive so I will go ahead and finish it off:
APACHE |
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| cfm |
quote:
Originally posted by pachangalpina
This thread has already taken a dive so I will go ahead and finish it off:
APACHE
You had to go there, huh ? This should get things rollin' pretty good. :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
BTW: Which Apache company are you talking about ? :eek:
Popcorn time. |
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| pachangalpina |
Is there any standardization to the location on the bow eye? Is it somehow tied in with the boat length? Or is this drawing just being interpreted by someone that can not read dimensions and comprehend LOA as set forth by the Coast Guard. My Fountain is a 36' Fever but because of the CG standards, it later grew 2' and became 38' but from what I read here I am being told that it is actually only 32'. But when I want to rent a slip or dry storage it becomes 40'.
Compare it to what you want but I compared this boat to what my wallet could afford and how much room I needed and how I wanted the ride quality to be in the conditions that I would be boating. So, set aside the numbers and I bought the largest Fever model that Fountain makes. |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by pachangalpina
This thread has already taken a dive so I will go ahead and finish it off:
APACHE
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| US1Fountain |
I don't get your thoughts on needing more bunks. Look at all the dry storage boats....2 bunks. Isn't this boat been stack stored?
However, I would perfer 2 per side myself. But then my trailer has 3 rows per side. Extra bunks can be added fairly inexpensive if so desired.
From the Fountain print, appears this trailer is more than adeqate to hold this 27'.
The comments about lenght because of the beak or swim platform is old. EVERY BOAT with an intergrated swim platform are measured the same way. Fountains just don't have a pug nose. :)
The comment on the wheel hoping while braking. My trailer does that too when empty. Brakes both axles. Some times it hopes so bad I swear it is going to tear the hitch off the truck. Same condition, as the brakes are applied, the front axle wants to rotate, pushing the rear axle down, which in turn lifts the front axle, then it drops and the cycle starts over again. Several times per second. I dread pulling the trailer empty. No one has been able to fix it. Only fix is to lock out the brakes while empty, but I don't like that.
I'm up for suggestions on this! Eagle and trailer shops are at a loss. It didn't do this when new and towed from IN to OK to pick up the boat. |
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| US1Fountain |
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[i] My Fountain is a 36' Fever but because of the CG standards, it later grew 2' and became 38' but from what I read here I am being told that it is actually only 32'. But when I want to rent a slip or dry storage it becomes 40'.
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Simple
For title purpooses, it's a 36'
For bar talk (or girl talk), it's a 38'
For insurance and slip/storage rental, it's a 32'
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| Shameless |
| US1, convert to electric brakes, I have them and love them. When empty, I turn the controller down and no wheel hop. :D |
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| US1Fountain |
| Actually I thought about the elec over hyd. But I only tow a couple times a yr, so not a high priorty. |
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| cfm |
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Originally posted by Shameless
US1, convert to electric brakes, I have them and love them. When empty, I turn the controller down and no wheel hop. :D
What I was thinking.
I also like electric because you can pre-load the trailer before you apply the vehicle's brakes. I'm talking mostly from car trailer experience vs boat trailers, so I may be not be giving the correct info here. |
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| gilla |
At 263 inches, you still have 5 foot of boat to account for. Don't be messed up by the drawing ref the beak and stern with the built in swim plarform-not to scale. the beak will be longer and you will have 2 1/2 to 3 feet behind the bottom measurement point-also adding the notched transom. A lot of that weight will be on the rear axle and behind it. In addition, the beak will be close to being over the tailgate.
I will stick with my story that you mght get it on there but it won't be pretty. I hope it does work for you, but don't screw up the boat just to prove a point. Just so you have the nuts to call it quits if it is a questionable deal. Keep us posted. Just PM me the crow if I have to eat it. :bigsmile: |
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| Shameless |
| And...if those would read the diagram, it says 263 inches for the BUNK LENGTH... |
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| US1Fountain |
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Originally posted by Shameless
And...if those would read the diagram, it says 263 inches for the BUNK LENGTH...
And if you would read the diagram, it says 168 for bunk lenght. :D :D :D |
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| US1Fountain |
| Good thing Noah didn't ask us what size trailer would fit under the Ark. The animals would have drowned waiting for us to decide. :laugher: |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
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Originally posted by Shameless
And...if those would read the diagram, it says 263 inches for the BUNK LENGTH...
:drnk :drnk :drnk
I see 168 thru bloodshot eyes.. ;) :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
Bill.. Just for the hell of it. Can you get a measurement from Bow eye to back on yours??? |
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| pasquesi |
Shameless,
I was not trying to be insulting....and I know about the running surface. I was just surprised at the figures in that diagram. I'm sure ANY manufacturer, like Formula or Cobalt, has the same issue with the extended rear platform. For the record, I think your Fountain is the best looking one out there...I love the all white hull! |
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| Rattlesnake Jake |
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Originally posted by pasquesi
Shameless,
I was not trying to be insulting....and I know about the running surface. I was just surprised at the figures in that diagram. I'm sure ANY manufacturer, like Formula or Cobalt, has the same issue with the extended rear platform. For the record, I think your Fountain is the best looking one out there...I love the all white hull!
I agree with the virgin hull.. :p: |
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| pachangalpina |
| I also have to agree with Gilla. I hope we are wrong but unless that winch stand has to be moved back, the beak will be very close to the tailgate. Can you open the tailgate now. I know that some trailer mfgs will list their ranges on the high side to make their trailer look more affordable. List that it will fit 25-27', and it will, but the 27-29' may be better suited. I do like that the alum I beams run almost to the end of the bunks so the bunks are not cantilevered off the end of the trailer. You now have some dims to work with so I would also check the height of the winch stand. You do not want the post or the winch handle hitting the beak. |
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| pachangalpina |
Lets forget about beak lengths for a minute and talk more about bunk placement.
Should the main bunks be under the 4" wide strakes or along the hull side. My trailer was set up with 2 main bunks that were chamfered on the edges and rested on the hull sides. It was about a 3/4 to 1" wide contact path and would leave severe marring on the hull. I repositioned the bunks so the boat loaded on the horizontal surface and the chamfer worked as a guide to position the boat.
I have been looking at used Myco trailers and noticed that they have multiple bunks that position on either side or the strakes to minimize the pressure on the boards and distribute the load better. This Fountain drawing shows like I have done my trailer but what is best? |
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| US1Fountain |
| Todd, I have 2 sets on each side that trapped the boat in the strakes. Also a 3rd set at the keel that start at the step and run forward to were the hull starts it's upward curve. You can see the trailer cross members for the keel bunks. I copied the main trailer bunks location for my lift. The bunks are split in the rear for use of lifting straps. All bunks sit flush on the full 6" of the board. 2x6's. |
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| US1Fountain |
| same placement as the trailers rear bunks, but 1 peice with build up for the step. |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by US1Fountain
And if you would read the diagram, it says 168 for bunk lenght. :D :D :D
For the outer bunks, 263 for the inner bunks... |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by Rattlesnake Jake
:drnk :drnk :drnk
I see 168 thru bloodshot eyes.. ;) :laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
Bill.. Just for the hell of it. Can you get a measurement from Bow eye to back on yours???
I did it today, from the bow eye, down the centerline tot he drain hole, it is 23 feet. Remember, this has a HUGE notched transom...
Also RJ, look just below the words "Bunk Lengths" and you will see 263". Maybe I know that they want you to use both numbers for the lengths from when Iused to have to assemble trailers.... :winker: :winker: :winker: |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by pasquesi
Shameless,
I was not trying to be insulting....and I know about the running surface. I was just surprised at the figures in that diagram. I'm sure ANY manufacturer, like Formula or Cobalt, has the same issue with the extended rear platform. For the record, I think your Fountain is the best looking one out there...I love the all white hull!
Thank you!!
Actually, I had to look twice a the diagram before I saw that the measurements for fo bunk length and that was not the measurement of the hull itself...
:D :D :D :D :D |
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| Mopower |
And this trailer was heavy enough too :rolleyes:
This was the first of two springs to break :mad: |
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| US1Fountain |
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Originally posted by Shameless
For the outer bunks, 263 for the inner bunks...
I don't think so Tim.
Out. |
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| Mopower |
| Then followed by this |
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| Shameless |
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Originally posted by US1Fountain
So the inner bunks go all the way to the bow eye? I don't see as you.
On ,my trailer, yes they do, BUT, the measurement from the bow eye to the end od the hull on the centerline is LONGER then 263 inches... Read above what I just said I measured at, and yes, I do know how to measure... |
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| Mopower |
| Then I switched to torsion axles :D . Ride is much better and I'm comparing the exact same trailer. |
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