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#42 ·
I guess boats are a lot like cars... everyone has their 'must haves' and 'never haves'. My sister's Hyundai, to own and drive 150,000 miles cost her one tenth what my Chrysler 300M cost me for 50,000 miles! We both got what we wanted and we both got where we needed to go.
 
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Now THIS is talkin boats!!!:D

skaternator, you brought up these points. I'll respond to each from what I have owned:

1. Hand laid glass [as opposed to chopper gun, ala Bayliner]
I think every boat MFG has hand laid glass. Some use chop so you won't have print through in your gel.
2. Vacume bagging. Stronger, lighter hulls.
Donzi uses vacuum bagging, yet their boats are about the heaviest I've seen, AND (hearsay) I 've read some not so complimentary things about their strength.
3. Bonded deck hull joint. [not just screwed or riveted]
My Wellcraft was bonded, Baja & Scarab-don't know, PQ- Plexus, thru bolted and glassed (aft part only)
4. Cockpit liner. [adds strength and rigidity]
Baja & scarab-nope, Wellcraft & PQ- yup
5. Thru bolted engine mounts [not lag bolts]
PQ has this, Baja, Scarab & Wellcraft used lag bolts.
6. Stainless hardware [not plastic or plated]
PQ & Scarab - yes, Baja had a mix and Wellcraft can't remember

7. Backing plates on hardware
Gosh- this is boat building 101; who doesn't use backing plates.
8. Stainless bolts with Nyloc nuts [not screws]
The only boat I've owned that used these is the PQ, but they don't use on everything.
9. Bolsters that are through bolted [again, merely screwing a bolster to a floor won't cut it] The PQ has this with some really beefy backing plates glassed in. The others- No clue.
10. Rubrail bolted in place. [not screwed]
Baja was riveted, Wellcraft & Scarab screwed, PQ bolted w/ nyloc nuts.

How about indexing every screw in the boat? That shows extra time and care.


Now lets talk about glass work. Sight down the side (I have) of an Active Thunder, Pantera (one of the worst), Sonic, Donzi, Fountain and you will see wavy, eneven glass work.
You would think these top notch custom builders would take more time to have better glass work / mold work.

Go look at joint where the deck meets the hull and look under the rubrail. LOTS of mfg's will fill gaps with caulk. Especially at the nose of the boat. My Wellcraft had about an inch gap, all loaded up with caulk.

Now look at: Formula, Baja, Scism (sp?), Sunsation, PQ or Scarab. The sides are smooth and the quality of gel work is incredible.

Come sight down my hull, smooooth and the rubrail is ruler straight and tight against the hull with out caulking to fill voids!

Personally, I really don't care what size, brand or type of boat anyone has. I am just glad to be out boating with them. About 99.9% of the people I meet with a boat, are just great people. Some of them "rank" or judge others just because of the boat they have. Oh, he only has a Baja. Or, WOW lets hang with XXX and his Nortech.
 
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#45 ·
I come to this board for various reasons. Some of which are to be entertained,to entertain,to learn,and to pass on what I've learned.

My interest is a little different than skaternator"s.
I am interested in BOATING .PERIOD.
I do NOT look down on what others are on the water in. The fact that they are on the water enjoying themselves is what matters.

skaternator,you bring up some really valid points in boat construction.But then you end it with your remark about the Bajamateliner. In essence you are an ASS!!!!!!!! You prove that each and every time you open up your arrogant mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't post defending my boat,
I made the point of telling the forum members of what I know 1st hand.CAN YOU MAKE THE SAME STATEMENT? I would have thought you were intelligent enough as to pick up on that FACT,but I guess your not.This was not about what boat I own,although that is what YOU have turned it into,which again,I can give a Rat's ass.

All of the things mentioned are Definitely something to consider when buying a boat.Don't know if screws missing out of the rubrail would keep me off the water though.I have a screwdriver and I know how to use it.


skaternator,you should feel extremely proud as you have managed to supply 2 of the above mentioned things in just one thread.

You have entertained me to the point where I have actually laughed outloud at some of your posts.


Second,you have taught me something in reading your posts.

A (OPEN) Mind is Truely Something To Waste:D
YOU PROVED THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#46 ·
BillR, The PQ's that are built now I do not know about, but in 1997 and 1998 there were major differences between the under 30' boats and the over 30'. I believe everything you said applied to the over 30' boats in 1997.

I have added Nyloc Nuts to everything I could reach after my first summer, and nothing has worked its way lose since.(would have been nice if the 260 came this way). And my rub-rail is mounted with screws.

But, I do totally agree with the wave factor. My hull sides are as wave free as any Formula I have seen.(I do believe Formula makes the best boat, not as flashy, just best fit and finish)

Jan
 
#50 ·
skaternator said:
Thin Skin?
By the way, I have ownes some pretty crappy boats in my time. Quess what. I have the to recognize and admit that. Some suited my purpose at the time. Others didn't.

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No thin skin,just pointing out your an arrogant a-hole who looks down on MOST of the boating population.

NOW! LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN SINCE YOU DON"T SEEM TO GET IT

My point is not if you owned crappy boats,but have you owned any of the boats you trash??
 
#51 ·
COOL this thread makes me feel great about myself!!! Since I got 8 out of 10 of the things on that list above I should have paid only 80% of what the REAL boats cost but I got a much better deal than that I only paid 10% of what the REAL boats cost. WOOHOO I got a smoking deal. Oh yeah and I bought mine brand new!
 
#52 ·
McGilla911 said:
COOL this thread makes me feel great about myself!!! Since I got 8 out of 10 of the things on that list above I should have paid only 80% of what the REAL boats cost but I got a much better deal than that I only paid 10% of what the REAL boats cost. WOOHOO I got a smoking deal. Oh yeah and I bought mine brand new!
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Now don't you feel glad. Go back and find a boat with all 10 damn it:D :laugher:
 
#53 ·
What about "in-gel" graphics vs pop the mold and spray Imron or DuPont and then clear?

I still say its much more labor intensive to do "in-gels" than paint. The sun may fad the deck, but the sides? Horse crap:D

Downside?, to intensive to compete with the custom designs spraying can create.
 
#57 ·
skaternator said:
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How about som more opinions on quality?
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For me, what matters most is knowing that:
1. a strong, solid hull is beneath me
2. a big, fast, reliable engine is behind me
3. a strong, solid, big, fast, reliable captain is beside me... and beneath me, and behind me, and ...
:winker: :bigsmile:
 
#58 ·
Remember 90% we learn from others, but we have to make sure the others learned the correct lesson from their experience. If a cat jumps up on the stove and lands on a hot burner-it woulod tell all other cats that stay off the stove or you will get burned. NOT the correct message. Hearsay evidence not 100% but good if qualified. Did the person that said Baja's can't get out of the hole know what they w4ere doing? Have the trim set properly? Happen to be in an underpowerd boat? Have a boat with a dirty bottom? All things have to be considered when you borrow the perception of others. Best advice I got on this forum some time ago, by more than one member, is to go ride and look close.

GEB, remember when Jeff tied the anchor rope to the rail cause it was hung on a rock, then hit the gas to pull it loose. Those are the times you need a thru bolted rail. Some times a good screw is not the best choice.
 
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