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Aggressor Tom said:
300,000 house
0 down
300,000 owed 2 years later on interest only loan
250,000 value when market went down

Now have to sell can't afford payments anymore with new interest on conventional mortage

250,000 selling price
15,000 realtor
2,300 transfer tax
1,300 title insurance
232,000 net

-$68000 after payments on a house for 2 years. Hey bank, just come get. I wonder why we are in trouble

The government should have jumped in 5 years ago so these bastards running the banks didn't have the opportunity to leave with millions in golden parachutes the last couple of years.
How about personal responsibility? I'm really tired of hearing about what the Government should have done! If you are or were stupid enough to borrow money for a home with zero down and an adjustable interest rate, then shut up and take your medicine. My parents needed 20 percent down, and had to PROVE that they didn't borrow THAT money, to buy their first house. What a total joke!
 
Yea the whole mess is a dayum shame. I really hate to see people loose their homes, and we can all sit here and blame the knuckleheads who bought these homes and then either couldn't or wouldn't pay the note but that isn't going to help matters any.

The real shame is that a lot of these if not most of them are just plain old hard working people trying to make a better way of life for their family. The ones to blame are the loan compinies and all for letting these people have the loan. I am sure a lot of them were talked into the adjustable rate loans and interest only loans by their mortgage broker. They promised them hey you will be able to re-finance this thing for a lower rate and the house will be worth 200K more than you paid for it in 2-3 years.

Yea I know they should have known better and yes they should never have gotten themselves into the mess that they are in but now we have the problem at hand and we have to do something to get out of this mess. Do I agree with bailing out all the hgih rollers who now own all this bad debt? NO but like I said we are in this mess neck deep and we are now forced to do something or else.

I am even less of a fan of the or else than I am a fan of the bailout. I just hope we learn from our mistakes and don't repeat them in the future.
 
I saw the Speaker of the House say she favored this bill.... President Bush said he favored this bill.... aren't these the people that represent thier respective parties? :confused:

Yet they still can;t pass the bill..... and we wonder why nothing gets fixed in this country :rolleyes:
 
You must be seeing delayed quotes, the dow was down 720 around the time of your post. It broke 700 right after the news broke hours ago. Recovering a tad, down 565 right now.

My bet is they get it passed before the clock strikes midnight.
 
I agree and also will say to the members of the house who voted against this bill because they are up for election this year and want to be re-elected.........

You're outta here either way you vote! :cl2:
 
pasquesi said:
How about personal responsibility? I'm really tired of hearing about what the Government should have done! If you are or were stupid enough to borrow money for a home with zero down and an adjustable interest rate, then shut up and take your medicine. My parents needed 20 percent down, and had to PROVE that they didn't borrow THAT money, to buy their first house. What a total joke!
You hit the nail on the head, you can'y shoot someone and when they ask why you tell them no one steeped in to stop me :shocked: If the government bails the banks out i'll be pissed but i'm also scared to find out what happens if we don't??? :shocked: :angry1:
 
I enjoyed reading this...

The Administration and Congress have felt compelled to do something about the "financial meltdown," so an inefficient and inequitable "bailout plan" has been rushed through the legislature despite harsh criticism from the right and left. That's unfortunate. Both presidential candidates were stalling by qualifying the plan. Whichever candidate had had the courage to reject outright this proposal would have had the better claim to be President.
Do not be fooled. The $700 billion (ultimately $1 trillion or more) bailout is not predominantly for mortgages and homeowners. Instead, the bailout is for mortgage-backed securities. In fact, some versions of these instruments are imaginary derivatives. These claims overlap on the same types of mortgages. Many financial institutions wrote claims over the same mortgages, and these are the majority of claims that have "gone bad."
At this point, such claims have no bearing on the mortgage or housing crisis; they have bearing only on the holders of these securities themselves. These are ridiculously risky claims with little value for society. It is as if many financial institutions sold "earthquake insurance" on the same house: when the quake hits, all these claims become close to worthless — but the claims are simply bets disconnected from reality.
Follow the money. Average Joes and Janes are not the holders of the other side of complicated, over-the-counter derivatives contracts. Rather, hedge funds are the main holders. The bailout will involve a transfer of wealth — from the American people to financial institutions engaging in reckless speculation — that will be the greatest in history.
Rescuing financial institutions is not the best solution. Yes, banks are needed to provide capital to businesses. But it is not necessary to spend $1 trillion to maintain liquidity. If the government is to intervene, it should pick and choose which claims to purchase; claims that are directly tied to mortgages would be a good start.
Let financial institutions fail, merge or be bought out. The faltering institutions will see their shares devalued and will be likely to be taken over by stronger institutions — as has already started happening. This consolidation of the financial sector is both efficient and inevitable; government action can only delay the adjustment.
The government should not intervene. It should leave overleveraged financial institutions to default on their derivatives obligations and, if necessary, file for bankruptcy. Much of the crisis has arisen from miscalculating the risks involved in a large book of positions in these derivatives. It is only logical that these institutions pay for their poor management.
Rather than bailing out Wall Street, we propose that the government should buy up the actual mortgages in question and do nothing else. The government should not touch any derivatives; that is, claims that do not directly tie into the actual mortgages. If money becomes too tight, then the Fed can certainly increase its loans to financial institutions.
Let the poorly managed, overly risk-taking financial institutions fail! Always remember that Wall Street and the real economy are not the same thing.
 
pasquesi said:
How about personal responsibility? I'm really tired of hearing about what the Government should have done! If you are or were stupid enough to borrow money for a home with zero down and an adjustable interest rate, then shut up and take your medicine. My parents needed 20 percent down, and had to PROVE that they didn't borrow THAT money, to buy their first house. What a total joke!

Did your parents also have to walk to school, barefoot, uphill both ways? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
bc232 said:
I enjoyed reading this...

Let the poorly managed, overly risk-taking financial institutions fail! Always remember that Wall Street and the real economy are not the same thing.
Wow, what cold war bomb shelter was that transmitted from?
If you think wall and main don't intersect, just log in to your ira or 401k.
Sure, a lot of mistakes and very poor judgement got us to this position, but I read that article as saying," Let's really let the economy go to he77 in a handbasket, that'll teach us to be more responsible." :confused1
 
That text is a perfect example of one of the main reasons this bill failed, the public has no idea what all of this is about!

There should have been a greater degree of educating the public exactly what the problem is in great detail and exactly how the government plan would correct the credit crisis we are all in.

When JQ average citizen starts to see car dealerships closing their doors, shopping centers and malls filling up with vacant storefronts and the like. Maybe then they will rethink all the "Don't use my tax dollars to bail out Wall Street!"

The last part of the last sentence above is the biggest misunderstanding of the population of the country.

I truly believe if people knew what the real downside of this situation will be without the buying of mortgage backed securities by the government, the massive amounts of calls to legislators would have been to enact the bill ASAP!
 
ghart.... did you see the speakers little speech before the vote?

if you were a republican.... would you have voted for the bill after her comments?

I'll go first..... Nope, Nada, no way!

The speaker is responsible for the bill's failure imo....

she is an a s s ......
 
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