nice boat!

 

havent rode in that boat, but tabs will help alot you will be able to balance the boat better

 

Tabs

 

Does it have a 502? Nice looking boat............wanna sell?

 

Nope, 454 just like you say.

 

Yes, The Villain is For Sale

Thanks for all of the responses to my posting, guys. I just signed up for this thing last week and it's great!

Sleeper,

The Villain is for sale. Let me know if your serious and I'll fill you in on all the details and post about 10 or 15 pics of it.

 

Cool boat Nice and clean. This is my 89' 2350sx, got the merc 454 tweaked into a Magnum, running the same 23 Mirage. Would be interested to see just how similar our hull designs are, and how much yours weighs. Anybody know, did Chap use the same hull with different decks bolted on? Not entirely happy with the rough water ride (the vee flattens out a little too much at the stern, do NOT get airborne because it can hurt when it comes down ).
Dont have tabs and I see the sky if I'm not on plane. Way too much weight with 454 back there, and sometimes its hard to get it to fall over without feeling like I'm abusing the bravo.
Anyways, if you find some tabs sticking off the back one day, let me know how it does.

 

That's a nice looking boat, NEEDMOREBOAT. I'm not sure if the hull is the same or not. I know my Villain has a 22 degree deadrise at the transom, but it has a pad in the center. In other words, the 22 degrees don't continue to a "peak" at the middle like my Sunsation did. Actually, mine seems to land pretty soft in rough water. I have the same problem getting on plane, though. The nose sticks almost straight up in the air. I think the Hydromotive 4-blade I've got on order will help though. I'll let you know.

 

I had the same problem with my Pachanga. Saw more of the sky than the water. The change tothe Hydromotive prop made a BIG change in the additude and and handling of the boat. I worked with Julie at Throttle Up in Fla.
http://www.throttle-up.com/home.htm

I think you will be happy with the prop is you need stern lift.

Scott

 

Thanks for the input, 22pachanga. That's incouraging to know that you've had success with the Hydromotive prop. I'll let you know if I have success with mine. That's a great quote too. "Everyone has freedom of choice, but not freedom from consequences".

 

It does seem to fit a lot of situations...

 

Did you lose much top end speed with the hydromotive? My boat tends to porpoise when loaded with passengers and was wondering how the prop change would work. I don't want to sacrifice the top end though.

 

That is hard to say it ran so bad with Mirage I had on it. That is what came with the boat when I bought it. nly ran it once with that prop and was not worth running the way it was.

The guy I bought the boat from and several others that have stock 22's tell me they get about 64 on the speedo. I get that on the speedo but GPS is around 58. Right now the bottom is painted and it needs to be removed and the gel cleaned up. But having to much fun right now to take it out of service right now. Looks like a fall project.


Hole shot, acceleration and midrange cruise is fantastic. I am not disappointed with top end either. Just know there are things that need to be done to get it where it really should be for a stock boat.

I have been told that I should see a 2-3 MPH increase with the bottom paint removed and Gell cleaned up. That will put me just over 60. Which will make me happy.

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

And if you talk with Julie at Throttle Up they can always play with the prop to change the way it performs once you find an area that needs improvement...

I can't say enough about the service I got from them.

Again Just my $.02 worth.....


Scott

 

Got the new Hydromotive in today. Can' wait to try it out this weekend! It is a real beauty of a prop.

 

Let us know how it works out

 

That Hydromotive made a huge difference. Porpoising was virtually eliminated, bow doesn't point as high now when getting on plane. It's hard to believe a prop change can make that big a difference!

 

I have a V3 also. It has the same issues that yours have but mine has tabs, which helps somewhat. After reading these posts I traded my friend my 23 mirage for his 22 bravo 1(4-blade that has extra cupping in it) for the day. It rockets out of the hole compared to the mirage. The boat will start its porpoising crap but will come out of it on its own after a couple of seconds. The only downside is it tops out at about 62-63 (not gps) at about 5050 rpm. My Mirage runs 66 at 4800-4900. I tried a 23 mirage+ and it launches a hair better but I could only get 64 at 4800.

 

I have a V3 also. It has the same issues that yours have but mine has tabs, which helps somewhat. After reading these posts I traded my friend my 23 mirage for his 22 bravo 1(4-blade that has extra cupping in it) for the day. It rockets out of the hole compared to the mirage. The boat will start its porpoising crap but will come out of it on its own after a couple of seconds. The only downside is it tops out at about 62-63 (not gps) at about 5050 rpm. My Mirage runs 66 at 4800-4900. I tried a 23 mirage+ and it launches a hair better but I could only get 64 at 4800.

 

VillainIII, it's great to know there's someone else on here with a V3!!! Let me tell you what I've learned over the past few weeks...

1) When changing to a Bravo One from a Mirage, you should actually go UP one pitch. This would explain why your getting 5050 RPM out of the Bravo One. Usually, with a 4-blade you have to go down one pitch, which is what I did with the Hydromotive.

2) The Bravo One prop provides bow lift. The Hydromotive Intimidator Quad IV provides stern lift. Our boats need stern lift, not bow lift.

What engine are you running? 365hp 454 mag, or 330hp 7.4L? What year is your boat? What color?

 

VillainIII, it's great to know there's someone else on here with a V3!!! Let me tell you what I've learned over the past few weeks...

1) When changing to a Bravo One from a Mirage, you should actually go UP one pitch. This would explain why your getting 5050 RPM out of the Bravo One. Usually, with a 4-blade you have to go down one pitch, which is what I did with the Hydromotive.

2) The Bravo One prop provides bow lift. The Hydromotive Intimidator Quad IV provides stern lift. Our boats need stern lift, not bow lift.

What engine are you running? 365hp 454 mag, or 330hp 7.4L? What year is your boat? What color?

 

Hi Jonate, My V3 has the 454 mag. The boat is white with a red stripe going along the rubrail. and the center of the bow is red. I think I attached a photo of it to this reply. What does your boat run by speedo?

 

Jonate, It is an 89'. I bought the boat last winter, it doesnt look to bad but the interior is shot. I will suffer thru this year and have it redone this winter. Mine has the Morse Offshore style controls, does yours have them or the single throttle/shifter? Does yours have silent choice exhaust?

 

VillainIII,

Mine has the Morse Offshore throttles and shifters, but I don't have silent choice. Mine is straight thru hull exhaust. My boat's a 1990 model. Your's is sharp and looks like it's in good shape.

I honestly don't know what top speed I was getting with the Mirage. With the Hydro, today I was only getting around 58mph at 4500 rpm. I should be running at 5100 rpm, according to the guys at Hydromotive. I think i've got a problem with the secondaries on my carburetor. I don't think they're opening. You're right where you need to be with that 5050 rpm. I'd say if you were getting that with a Hydro, you'd be kickin' ***.

 

Try opening your hatch. The first time I drove my boat my brother-in-law and I could only get 62 out of it at about 44-4500rpm. We were doing a full throttle run and opened the hatch and it immediately picked up 100 rpm so I trimmed it some more and by the time I was done I was bouncing off of the 67mph mark. I am going to drill some more holes in the side so it can get more air, but havent done it yet. My friends know if my hatch is up I am going for broke.

 

Jonate24,

I am going to get a 4-blade. I was going to go with a Mercury Revolution 4 23P, but maybe I will probably go with a quad IV 24 because I am going to add about 50hp to the motor this winter.